The Explosive Testimony of Archbishop Capovilla
A discussion with Solideo Paolini
by John Vennari
|Italian journalist Solideo Paolini obtained the testimony from Archbishop Capovilla, former personal Secretary to Pope John XXIII, that there are two texts of the Third Secret.|
Antonio Socci’s book The Fourth Secret of Fatima contains the crucial testimony of Archbishop Capovilla, former Secretary of Pope John XXIII, that there are indeed two separate texts of the Third Secret of Fatima.
An Italian journalist named Solideo Paolini, author of a book on Fatima entitled Do Not Despise Prophecy, was the man who interviewed Archbishop Capovilla and provided Mr. Socci with Archbishop Capovilla’s testimony.
Earlier this year, I had the opportunity to ask Mr. Paolini some questions regarding his interview with Archbishop Capovilla.
I asked Mr. Paolini to explain why the testimony of Archbishop Capovilla is important.
“Archbishop Loris Francesco Capovilla was the personal Secretary of Pope John XXIII,” said Mr. Paolini, “the first Pope who opened the envelope containing the Third Secret of Fatima. When Pope John XXIII opened the envelope, Archbishop Capovilla, as his Secretary, was present. After this, taking dictation from Pope John, he wrote on the outside of the envelope the judgment given by John XXIII about the Third Secret, so he is an extraordinarily important witness.”
When asked for a brief summary of his meeting with Archbishop Capovilla, Mr. Paolini recounted:
“I met Archbishop Loris Francesco Capovilla on July 5th 2006 in Sotto il Monte [name of a town] at his house. Since this very first meeting, during our private conversation, he made me implicitly but unequivocally understand something about the existence of two texts, or at least about certain things not being revealed regarding the Third Secret. When I asked him the question [about the Secret], he literally answered: ‘No, look, since it was officially revealed, I must abide by what was declared in the official documents, even if I may know something more’. And at that point, when he said those words ’even if I may know something more’, he smiled ironically. Since I was there, I was able to see from his gestures that it was clear: there is something more than what was revealed during the Holy Year 2000 [by the Vatican].
“But what Archbishop Capovilla said to me during a phone call was an even more dead giveaway. When he sent me his answers [by mail to questions I had sent to him], I called him on the phone, and he gave me the answer to a question of mine which literally was: ‘So, Your Excellency, as regards the two dates in which Pope Paul VI (would have) read the Third Secret, March 27th 1965 and June 27th 1963, which are confirmed by different sources, are they both correct because, in fact, there exists two texts regarding the Third Secret?’ I asked him this point-blank. He remained silent for a moment, thinking about it, and then he said to me, literally: ‘Precisely so (Per l’appunto)’. This is the most explicit confirmation that anyone could give.”
When asked if Mr. Socci’s The Fourth Secret of Fatima gave an accurate account of Mr. Paolini’s correspondence and conversations with Archbishop Capovilla, Mr. Paolini responded “In his book The Fourth Secret of Fatima, Antonio Socci reported the account of my meeting, my phone calls and my correspondence with Archbishop Capovilla in a perfect, exact, accurate and complete way. I confirm every single word said in the book.”
Has Archbishop Capovilla backtracked on any of his testimony since Mr. Socci’s book was published, I asked.
“Archbishop Capovilla has not backtracked on any of his testimony” said Mr. Paolini. “There is no text from him, no statement, no interview where he backtracks any of his testimony. This is extremely significant and represents a further resounding proof, because a priori, it was possible, that he could deny his testimonies, or that he would be forced by others to do so. The fact that he hasn’t published any denying statement for five months after the publication of Socci's book (and during these months the book caused a lot of turmoil too!) doesn’t need much comment.”
What was Archbishop Capovilla’s reaction to Mr. Socci’s book, I asked.
“I don’t know the direct reaction by Archbishop Capovilla when he read Socci’s book,” Paolini answered, “because there is no official statement from him about it. Anyway, on the basis of some clues, I can deduce some well-grounded estimation about his reactions.
“First of all,” Paolini explained, “there was the phone call which I made in order to thank him when I received his material; that phone call ended with his best wishes to me. I thanked him for his availability and for all the information he had given to me — within the limits of what he was allowed to say of course — and he ended the phone call by saying ‘Good job’, with a friendly tone. Obviously, such a friendly dismissal clearly shows that Archbishop Capovilla already knew that his statements and information would be used for publication, and that he didn’t tell me those things just to keep them as confidential. By the way, when I personally met him for the first time in Sotto il Monte, I asked him whether I should keep as confidential the information he was about to reveal to me, and he answered: ‘no, no, once something is said and written, it is said and written’, so he already knew that his testimonies would be published some day, and he was not against it; he actually gave me these details to be published.”
Mr. Paolini went on to say that he had met Archbishop Capovilla a week before Mr. Socci’s book was published, and though the book had not yet been released, “it was evident Archbishop Capovilla already knew the contents of the book,” particularly since “within the office of the publishers’ editorial staff, news leaks are a common practice.” Mr. Paolini’s meeting with Archbishop Capovilla was positive, and Archbishop Capovilla expressed no reservations whatsoever about the contents of Socci’s The Fourth Secret of Fatima.
Cardinal Bertone’s Book
In May of this year, immediately after Cardinal Bertone published his book against Mr. Socci, I had the opportunity again to correspond with Mr. Paolini.
Mr. Paolini explained that Cardinal Bertone in his book did not provide any logical arguments to the reasonable objections made by Mr. Socci and by others. The book was written with the help of what he calls “a fawning interviewer” of the Cardinal who never asked the prelate any hard questions. For example, the interviewer never asked Bertone the straightforward question: “Did Sister Lucy ever write anything to complete the phrase, ‘In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved etc&rsquo.;?”
Mr. Paolini told me that in his book, Bertone still insists that the Third Secret was nothing more than a prediction of the failed assassination attempt against Pope John Paul II; an interpretation so ludicrous that many even in the secular press found it laughable.
Mr. Paolini also noted that Pope Benedict XVI had written Mr. Socci a beautiful letter in support of Socci’s book (see page 42 of this issue).
I asked if he believed Cardinal Bertone’s book will put an end to the controversy. Mr. Paolini answered, “It will increase it.” He noted the Cardinal’s aim was “to stop any rational and free debate on the matter”, implying that anyone who dissents from the Vatican’s position on this is “not a true Catholic”. But Mr. Paolini says this type of heavy-handed and unreasonable approach can actually damage the Vatican and the Holy Father himself.
“It is a fact” says Paolini, “that inside many newspapers and even inside the Roman Curia, this [Bertone’s book] has become a laughingstock. Cardinal Bertone wrote a book without seriously giving an answer to anything. To the incredible amount of facts and information regarding the Secret, to the things that don’t add up, to the extremely well-grounded allegations and objections regarding the Secret, he simply dismisses them saying, ‘ipse dixit (I said it, so it’s true)’.”
He goes on to say that Cardinal Bertone in his book claims “Vatican II is more important than Fatima”.
As for the powerful testimony of Archbishop Capovilla on the fact that there are two texts of the Secret, Cardinal Bertone’s book does no more than acknowledge the statement by the Archbishop, but provides no refutation to it whatsoever.