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Errors of Ecumenism

The following is an edited transcript of a speech given by
Father Paul Kramer, B.Ph., S.T.B., M.Div., S.T.L. (Cand.)

(Subtitles and footnotes are by the Editor)

At that time, Jesus said to His disciples: All power is given to Me in Heaven and in Earth. Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.
(Matt. 28:18-20)

Our Lord Jesus Christ did not mince His words. The text above from the Holy Gospel, the words that came from the mouth of Our Divine Savior, convict the Second Vatican Council of error against the Catholic Faith. This is, after all, what is in the Third Secret of Fatima, as Cardinal Ciappi divulged that "in the Third Secret (of Fatima), it is foretold, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top."

We know from prophecies of St. Francis of Assisi, foretold centuries ago, that there will be an Anti-Pope. He will be a heretic. He will not have the Catholic Faith. And he will attempt to destroy the Church, by reforming it with the new reformation.

Materially, the revolt against God’s law had its beginning when the Council proclaimed the error of Ecumenism.

Now there are many so-called conservatives who will scream and object, and they will say, "Well, how can you say that? After all, an Ecumenical Council is infallible, and so the Council cannot be wrong, it cannot teach an error."

I answer that question with this question: "What church ever taught that?" Not the Roman Catholic Church. The Wanderer teaches that, but no Pope has ever taught that.

If you look at the Baltimore Catechism, you will read that a Council is infallible, but it does not say that the Council is infallible in every pronouncement it makes.

What is it that makes a Council infallible? It is the charism of infallibility. And the Church teaches that you can verify when that charism is being exercised. It is exercised when the Church defines.

There are Three Ways that the Church Defines Infallibly

First, the most clear pronouncement is when the Pope, together with the bishops gathered in an Ecumenical Council, solemnly defines, infallibly, that a teaching is divinely revealed.

Second, when the Pope, by himself, pronounces ex cathedra, definitions of Faith or morals, he exercises the charism of infallibility, and therefore cannot be in error.

The Council can make all kinds of errors when it’s not defining, but when the Council Fathers, together with the Pope, solemnly pronounce a definition in matters of Faith or morals, the Council cannot err. And, in this sense, the Catechism is to be understood, that an ecumenical Council is infallible. This is how the Church understands infallibility, even if the neo-conservatives1 or the post-Council2 may think otherwise.

The third manner of infallibility in the Church is the universal Magisterium of the Church, the universal and ordinary Magisterium, when the Pope, together with all the Catholic bishops of the world, in their ordinary teaching, definitively teach that a doctrine is to be held; that a doctrine is divinely revealed.

It’s the neo-conservatives who point to all the errors in Vatican II, and say, "Well this cannot be an error, because it’s taught by the Council." They go astray, because that is not the Church’s teaching, that every pronouncement that a Council makes is infallible. But it is what the Council solemnly defines together with the Pope as being infallible, is what is infallible.

They will object, "But these are doctrinal — weighty, serious doctrinal matters. It is the Pope together with all the bishops of the world who are teaching it, therefore it must be infallible."

The answer is "No! It is not infallible. This is not the universal and ordinary Magisterium. It is not definitive."

A Council is Infallible When a Council Defines

When the Council does not define, the Council is not infallible, and therefore it is not the universal and ordinary Magisterium of the Church speaking. The universal and ordinary Magisterium of the Church is all the bishops scattered throughout the world, teaching in their dioceses — definitively — in matters of Faith and morals, together with the Pope in his diocese in his ordinary teaching — definitively — in matters of Faith and morals. That is what we call the infallible universal ordinary Magisterium of the Church.

The bishops and the Pope talking on doctrinal matters in an Ecumenical Council is not the universal and ordinary Magisterium of the Church, and it is not infallible — only when they define. It is in this context that we can clearly state that the Second Vatican Council proclaimed errors. It did not attempt to define, not in the technical sense of a dogmatic definition, in the manner of a solemn pronouncement of the extraordinary, infallible Magisterium of the Church, definitely not. Even in the ordinary sense of the term "definition", they did not define their terms.

Vatican II Did Not Define Ecumenism

In the document on ecumenism, supposedly the Church proclaimed ecumenism. Now, it’s a very curious thing that in proclaiming ecumenism, the Council did not clearly state what ecumenism is. They used some descriptive phrases, but they did not say what the thing is.

Well, the Council’s experts — those who were named precisely to be the experts of the Council, the periti3 — the ones who were largely responsible for putting together the documents, and making the corrections and edits; they made very sure that the term ecumenism was not defined. Because if they had defined the term, at least 90 percent of the bishops present at the Second Vatican Council would have screamed, "This is heresy! It must be expunged. We cannot proclaim this, it is an error. It is against the Catholic Faith, it is heresy."

Modernist Heretics’ Motives Explained

So, the Modernist periti, they knew that the battle would be lost instantaneously if they dared to define their terms. So they left the terms undefined, and their excuse for not defining things was, "Well, this is a pastoral Council. We’re not here to define doctrine, we’re not here to be philosophical in our definition of things, this is a pastoral Council. And so we leave off with the job of defining."

Of course that was the excuse. But the real reason for the liberals who are, more precisely, Modernists was they didn’t dare define their terms, because they would be exposed for the heretics that they were, and the heretics that they are.

Ecumenism is diametrically opposed to the Catholic Faith. And it is clearly evident when one examines ecumenism. Pope John Paul II, in his encyclical Ut Unam Sint, refers to ecumenism as having its origin in the so-called churches of the reform: the reformed churches, the reformation churches — in a single word — from the Protestants.

Ecumenism is a Protestant Heresy

John Paul II acknowledges that ecumenism is a Protestant invention. It is this Protestant thing that has invaded the Church. Protestantism is a heresy, and ecumenism is one of the heresies of Protestantism.

The ecclesiology4 of Protestantism is the ecclesiology of ecumenism. The ecclesiology of ecumenism is the ecclesiology of Cardinal Ratzinger; it is the ecclesiology of Hans Küng and all the Modernists. The man in charge of ecumenism in the Church today, Cardinal Walter Kasper, is an ecumenist; his ecclesiology is Protestant.

I remember when I was visiting St. Thomas’ Church in New York City, beautifully traditional — unlike the remodeled St. Patrick’s Cathedral down the road with its banquet table facing the people. At St. Thomas’ Church the altar is oriented properly, and where the so-called priest prays to meet with God, and the people with him. And, there is the missal, at the epistle side of the altar. Believe it or not, that is the Episcopalian Anglican church that looks so Catholic.

I once heard the story of a lady who spent her summer months in New York, and she used to go to that church (either to St. Thomas’ or St. Bartholomew’s, I don’t remember which at this time). St. Bartholomew’s, you will see the confessionals there, and the altar situated in the same manner as in St. Thomas’, they look so traditional, so Catholic. And after seven years, she discovered that she had been going to an Anglican church. She thought it was Roman Catholic. What attracted her to these churches? They were more Catholic than her Romanist parish.

I don’t say Catholic parish, I say ecumenical Romanist parish, Roman Protestant parish, ecumenical parish, where they don’t have an altar anymore, but where they have a banquet table. And they don’t have the beautiful wooden confessionals, like in St. Bartholomew’s, but they have a reconciliation room.

How Protestants Define the Church

There has been a new reformation in the Catholic Church, and it takes its ecclesiology from that church that appears so Catholic, but is not. While I was in St. Thomas’ Church, I picked up a pamphlet and examined the presentation of the doctrine of Anglicanism, where it is clearly stated that we are not different religions, we all form one Christian Church. We are different denominations of the one Christian Church, whether we call ourselves Roman, Catholic, Orthodox, Evangelical, Anglican, or Holy Rollers for that matter. Whichever, these are all different denominations of the one Christian Church. They all profess their faith in Jesus Christ, all form one universal church.

This is ecumenism. This is the ecclesiology of ecumenism. This is the heresy of ecumenism, which is diametrically opposed to the actual original teaching and tradition of the Catholic Church, which the Lord bestowed, the Apostles proclaimed, and the Fathers safeguarded, as St. Athanasius explains.

What the Catholic Dogma of the Church of Christ Is

The Catholic teaching about the Roman Catholic Church is that Jesus Christ, true God and true Man, founded the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church which will last until the end of time. All other religions are false, not pleasing to God and unless a person leaves the false churches and joins the Roman Catholic Church (which includes the Eastern Rites of the Catholic Church) and perseveres in the Catholic Church until his death, he cannot save his soul. "Outside the Church there is no salvation" has been solemnly defined three times by the Catholic popes.

It is summed up in the plain and simple phraseology uttered by Jesus Christ, Our Lord and Savior. "At that time, Jesus said to His disciples: All power is given to Me in Heaven and in Earth. Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world." (Matt. 28:18-20) Notice how many times He uses the word "all". Today it becomes a dirty word, it’s called exclusivism. "How dare you claim to be the one true Church and all other religions are false." There’s only one God, and He revealed only one divine truth. There’s only one divine revelation, and it is found in the one Church that He founded.

How can the Hindus and the Holy Rollers have a true religion together with the Catholic Faith? And every different church and every different religion has conflicting doctrines. They teach different things that are opposed and contradictory, as black is opposed to white. How could anyone say "Well, in essence they are all the same."?

Not Dialogue But Conversion

Our Lord Jesus Christ said, "All power is given to Me." All power, not just the power to talk to Catholics. "All power is given to Me ... Going therefore teach ye all nations — Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you." He didn’t invoke all this power to simply send us out so that we can dialogue with the other religions, and live in perpetual harmony and peace with the movements, for example, who wish to destroy us. Not all of them wish to destroy us, but when the Islamic clergy go up to the minarets and proclaim holy war, Jihad, then even the meekest Mohammedans will go on the warpath.

Islam is Against the Catholic Faith

The unholy Koran says those who are the mushriks, which means infidels, blasphemers, idolaters, are those who believe that the One God is in Three Persons.

When St. Cecilia died the death of martyrdom, struck by the mortal blow, in one hand she held up one finger, and in the other hand she held up three. Three Persons in one God, the most Blessed Trinity, she professed in her martyrdom. She refused to practice paganism.

This is the true ecumenical dialogue. To proclaim infallibly the articles of Faith and the foundation of all dogma and all divine truth is the impenetrable mystery of the most Blessed Trinity. Islam says that those who profess belief in the Blessed Trinity are idolaters, infidels; they are mushriks.

Islam Converts by the Sword

What does the Koran say to do to the idolater, the blasphemer, the infidel, the mushrik? The teaching of Mohammed in the Koran is kill the mushrik.

Islam Wants All Men to be Islamic

Our Lady of Fatima said, "the good will be martyred." It is the martyrs who, contrary to the spirit of ecumenical dialogue, refuse to be swayed by the threat of the sword. "You must embrace Islam," says the Mohammedan. Even in a small New England town, there is the Islamic information "center," which is the word that hides the fact that there is, in fact, a mosque in town. And when the Catholic priest visited the mosque, he was told by the Mohammedan cleric, "you must convert to Islam."

The priest said "No, no, you can’t say that to me, I’m a Catholic priest, I believe in Jesus Christ." The Mohammedan said to him, "All of North America must embrace Islam; it will be an Islamic land." "All," that’s the word that Our Lord Jesus Christ used.

Ecumenism is Impossible

You may say that there is always a way that people can be reasonable, and try to live together peacefully, even if they have conflicting beliefs. But, this is the thing we must understand about ecumenism: the beliefs themselves are conflicting; they are irreconcilable. And so we have to ask, in what direction does ecumenism go and what does it attempt to achieve? If one is a Freemason, if one is a Communist, we understand exactly, then, what ecumenism will accomplish. It is there to accomplish something, namely to accomplish Freemasonry’s goals, the Communists’ goals, which include the anti-God, anti-Christ ideal of a One World Government, a One World Religion, a One World Tyranny to enslave all mankind.

But in the Catholic context, what can ecumenism accomplish? Can it accomplish something Catholic? Absolutely not. It is diametrically opposed to Catholicism. It attempts, in the Catholic context, to reconcile the irreconcilable. Mohammed says, "Convert the world to Islam, and whoever does not embrace Islam, off with his head. Kill the mushrik!"

Catholics Convert by Grace and Missions

Jesus Christ said, "All power is given to Me in Heaven and in Earth. Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world."

It is this work that will be accomplished. The Mohammedans, who use the sword, will wield the sword, and will accomplish nothing but the shedding of blood. But they will not conquer the world for Islam.

The world is filled with infidels and idolaters. Those who have the Catholic Faith recognize this fact. But, unlike Islam, we’re not going to get our machine guns and our swords, and run through and fill with lead everyone who disagrees with our faith.

Angels Defend Us

When Attila the Hun was going to destroy Rome, Pope St. Leo met with Attila. He had twelve priests with him, while Attila had his vast army. Attila mocked the Pope, "Where’s your army?" And Pope Leo pointed to the heavens, and there Attila saw a vast army of angels. He fled in horror, and his army with him. They fled in utter terror.

Islam is a scourge; it is in a fight to the death with Christianity, with the Catholic Faith. It was inspired by the devil for the purpose of waging war against faith in Jesus Christ. Mohammed said, "God will send five thousand angels to give victory to Islam, so don’t fear, go ahead into battle."

World War III with Islam Prophesied

We know from the Third Secret of Fatima, we know from the many apparitions of Our Lady, it is revealed that there will be a Third World War. It will be a war that will break out from East to West, all of a sudden. And there will be a massive invasion of Europe by Mohammedans, and there will be massive acts of terrorism by Mohammedans in Europe and in North America, and in Asia, wherever Mohammedans are found. It will be coordinated worldwide Jihad. And they all, with boldness, will attack what they call the mushriks, to kill as many of them as they can.

God Defends Christendom if it Prays Enough

The Muslims have not understood the promise of Mohammed is bogus. The penny has not dropped for them yet; the connection has not been made in their minds.

The Saracens were kicked out of Europe. The Moors were kicked out of the Iberian Peninsula. The Turks attacked Malta at the beginning of their war of conquest to make Europe a Mohammedan continent. Ninety warships full of Turkish warriors were defeated by the army of 1,500 fighting monks of the order of St. John, with the help of some of their Maltese natives.

And then the Turks were going to attack again. The Turkish leader, Suleiman the Magnificent, had misgivings, in spite of the vast military superiority of his forces. He said, "I fear more the prayers of Pope Pius V, than all the warships of Venice." And he had good reason to fear the prayers of Pope Pius V, because Pope Pius V proclaimed a crusade. It is for Mohammedans the dirtiest word in human language: crusade.

They still did not learn their lesson, and they besieged Vienna with a vast force. They so incredibly outnumbered the Christian forces that there was no possibility, humanly speaking, of defeating them. The Mohammedans were routed and they fled. They didn’t even have time to pick up their coffee and take it with them. The Europeans enjoyed the spoils of war, and that is how coffee became popular in Europe. The Turks were defeated again.

Somehow, the five thousand angels promised by Mohammed never showed up on their side. On whose side did they show up to defend? Well, Pope St. Leo pointed to Heaven and that army of angels became visible. Likewise with the reconquest of Spain, when the Moors were driven out at the place called Covadunga.

A shrine has been built there in memory of that great battle that began that reconquest, kicking the Mohammedans out, sending them back to the Arab lands where they came from. An angel was seen coming down from Heaven riding a horse, and he had a great saber in his hand. And this angel wielded that sword and lopped off the heads of the Moors.

Our Lady of Fatima’s Triumph Over All Infidels

The angels do come down from Heaven, but to give victory to the Christians, not to the Mohammedans. The day will come, and it is foretold by Our Lady Herself to Sister Elena Aiello, that the Arabs will convert to the Catholic Faith. Russia will convert to the Catholic Faith, we know, because Our Lady of Fatima verified Her promise with the tremendous Miracle of the Sun. A miracle that could only be worked by God; a miracle that upholds and points to the promise made by Our Divine Savior Himself.

And this is why we need not fear: the angels of Heaven will come again and they will destroy the godless. They will destroy all that is unholy. It is not for the Christian to wage Jihad, but rather to respond to the unholy Jihad, with the Holy Crusade. And the assistance of the angels, and the armies and legions of angels, is with the disciples and followers of Christ. And it must be so, because Our Lord’s promise does not have an expiration date. "Behold, I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world."


1. This is the conservative-sounding Modernists.

2. That is those Church officials including priests and bishops who claim to follow Vatican II.

3. The periti or so-called experts were theological writers, many of whom had been rebuked in the 1940’s and 1950’s by Pope Pius XII for errors against the Catholic Faith. they were often priests.

4. Ecclesiology is that branch of theology that collects doctrines about the nature of the Catholic Church — that is, the one true Church Christ founded — into an organized body of knowledge. The heretical notion of ecclesiology — of course, strictly speaking — should not be called theology but, rather, heresy.

"I (God) am with you all days"

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