Evidence of Persecution
in Russia/Ukraine 1992!

       We present here below, a recent interview with the Ukrainian Catholic, Josyp Terelya. He has been living in exile in Toronto, Canada since 1988 because of his Catholic religious convictions. His book Witness published in July 1991, witnesses to the persecution of millions of Catholics and others. It also details Our Lady’s revelations to him at Hrushiw, a place where Our Lady has appeared in the Ukraine since April 26, 1987 and which the Ukrainian Catholic bishops have been favorably disposed.

       Josyp Terelya suffered 20 years in Communist prisons in Russia and Ukraine because he is a committed Catholic. He escaped nine different times from the gulag. This too is a record. Once he had to lie for hours among live, deathly poisonous snakes in order to complete his escape.

       Twice, the atheistic jailers and their masters conspired to actually murder him since they could not break his spirit. He was put in the freezing death cell and would be dead today except that he was saved miraculously by the personal, direct and visible intervention of the Mother of God, the Queen of Heaven. Today he still suffers physical disabilities from the effects of his tortuous 20 years of prison.

       His life in Communist prisons is all the more surprising when you consider he started his 20 years of imprisonment after the 1962 Vatican-Moscow Agreement by which the Communists pledged to stop the persecution of the Church.

       Although he is in exile, he is considered the leading layman of the Ukrainian underground Catholic Church. He keeps in touch with the situation in Ukraine and Russia.

       Today, the "free", "independent" "sovereign" Ukraine, ruled by the 57 year old Leonid M. Krawchuk (who, by the way, spent all his adult life as a Communist Party functionary until 1991) still will not allow Josyp to return to his native homeland. Josyp Terelya’s only crime is that he was and still is, a fully committed and active Catholic.

       Q: We talk about America being consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, but the Ukraine was the first nation 950 years ago consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Do you feel the Ukraine has truly been liberated and, if so, does this make open worship possible now, or is this just a smoke screen to the West?

       Josyp: Nothing really has changed. A lot of the dissidents were imprisoned with me, but they weren’t believing people. They were atheists. They've identified themselves with the communists now. The priests are saying that there is only one deputy in parliament that stands up for the Catholic or Orthodox. All the others, no! And these last times they've begun setting up Masonic lodges in the Ukraine. I receive some major newspapers from the Soviet Union. There’s a full page interview with the grand master of the Grand Orient of France. The priests in Ukraine are warning the people not to join this, but the people are not listening; they are being bribed by these Masonic lodges.

       Officially the question you ask: Is there a Ukrainian state or not? On paper yes, but practically speaking there is no such thing now. All these attributes of a state that are lacking ... they don’t have their own military, they don’t have their own banks, they don’t have their own territorial boundaries. I spoke with the representatives of the Soviet Authority yesterday and this morning a Soviet representative here in Canada to Kiev, because he was supposed to return with a passport for me. Instead President Krawchuk demanded a declaration from me.

       By what right does Krawchuk have to demand such a declaration of me when I was deprived of the first issue by Gorbachev of the USSR? If there were truly a free Ukraine, the first thing the President of the Ukraine should have done was to turn to the government in Ottawa and provide me with the papers (necessary to receive a passport).

       I've received a letter from Eastern Ukraine, Father Alexander, an Orthodox priest who publicly writes that the hierarchy of the Orthodox Church is totally dominated, by Masons. But this Orthodox priest is favorably disposed to the Catholic Church. He often celebrates different services with them. And the Orthodox Bishop Ivan of Kiev threatened he would excommunicate or suspend this Father Alexander. Everything that is happening in the Ukraine is one big camouflage!!!

       Q: You speak of this camouflage and Our Lady has said if Russia does not accept Christ the King, the Third World War cannot be averted. But you definitely feel this camouflage in the new Commonwealth is of satan, and not of God?

       Josyp: Yes. This is the work of satan. They are going against the Church, against all the associations that I helped found in the Catholic and Orthodox churches among the truly believing people. Many priests are now writing me. They have established an Association of St. Andrew the Apostle, open both for Catholics and for Orthodox who come together for common gathering and common services among prayer services.

       Now the people who are in charge of these associations that we established are the former communists. Those who had been the titulars of the cathedra of Marxist doctrine at the universities, now they have taken over the leadership of these pious associations that I helped found.

       There were thousands of people in church on Sundays and now these people are destroying everything. And now merely 20 - 30 people come to church on Sunday. They rather go again into the underground churches, into the woods rather than to the churches because there’s no spirit of God in the churches now. The simple people can’t explain, don’t understand, can’t vocalize their concern, but they feel with their heart that their churches are dominated by evil forces. Now in the Soviet Union we have a division of power. This is the Armageddon ... the powers of satan. The events in Georgia are very closely tied in with the plans of satan throughout the whole world and especially in the United States. Georgia was the test of strength of the Christian forces. They fear a civil war breaking out in the Soviet Union, but this won’t be against Russia. It'll be against those Communists and Masons who now have destroyed that which is good in Russia.

       They are exporting en mass all the agriculture and other food products to Poland and western Europe. And in the country we find the growing signs of famine. I was asked yesterday if I was afraid to return or not. I want to return especially to Kiev to call a great Marian congress, because I don’t see the possibilities of doing this in Toronto.

"Reads like a chilling resume of one whose career has been based on how to survive in the Soviet Golag. His crimes' center around his leadership in the Ukrainian Catholic Church." ... Senator Dennis DeConcini, Commission on Security in Europe.

       Q: With Gorbachev out, will you be allowed to return to your home land? If so, when and what are your plans?

       Josyp: Even though Gorbachev is no longer there, Yeltsin is against my return. I don’t understand the game they are playing. Yesterday, I was in the office of the Soviet Embassy. They're playing games there. Now the Ukrainian communists are saying everything depends on Kiev.

       I believe in the power of God and that the Mother of God is watching over me. Just as Jesus cleaned out the synagogues, so also I want to go back to clean out the churches! I worked to build the Church over these 40 years. Can we allow it to be destroyed now? We cannot stand idly by to watch the Church become destroyed. I believe the Church will have to become purified first. But in the end Christ will overcome.

       I'm convinced that there’s going to be an all out war in the USSR between the armed powers. The Communists will never give up their power, their authority. This means Christ and the Gospels will be profaned. This business with Krawchuk taking an oath on a bible is a profanation of Christianity and at the same time he has self-declared that he is an atheist. But even if he were a Christian, he’s conducting anti-Christian activity because people are continuing to pray in the woods. I'm convinced they're playing games with me because they know I can re-enter the Soviet Union illegally if I wanted to, and this would be worse for them.

       The Ukrainian Catholic Church has never been legalized, nor its rights restored. It’s only toleration and the permission of the people to use the churches, but the churches remain the property of the government. But the worst thing is not only what they have done with the Catholic Church but they even destroy that which is good in the Orthodox church. Wherever they feel there is a nucleus of genuine faith, they are destroying this and establishing their own people in power.

       The Communists are still in control. The whole party apparatus is totally in place. Nothing has changed! All those who were in power at the time of this so-called fall are still in power. Nobody has been thrown out, nobody has lost a job. The Communist Party has only gone underground for a while until it emerges again. They continue to receive the pay, the salaries that they've been receiving.

       Q: So is this a ruse to lull the United States into a false security?

       Josyp: Exactly. And this is what I constantly underlined on my latest tour along the California coast. I admonish America to maintain its position of strength, because the moment that America weakens by disbanding its military, that’s when the Soviets will stab everyone in the back. Beware!

       Q: Is that what you meant in your book in the section "Michael and the Eagle" when you said the Russians would invade Poland and Italy?

       Josyp: Yes. The Communists are already present in the underground and are preparing for future action.

       Q: You've said Lenin was one of the anti-Christs. Also on page 283 you mention you saw Lucifer in the face of Yeltsin before anyone outside the Soviet Union had heard of this man. Now he is in power. Do you see him as another anti-Christ?

       Josyp: I can’t answer this fully. Yeltsin is another anti-Christ, yes. As all these people who are doing the work of satan are "anti-Christs". But beware of the anti-Christ here on this continent. Now, the anti-Christ as the Scriptures describe him and as Mary spoke to Father Gobbi, the anti-Christ is a truly distinct person. But these are in people dominated by the same idea and servants of that same ideal of satan.

       All the Masons in high authority in office are all anti-Christs! We shouldn’t really accentuate the reality of Communism. It’s really the Masonic plot that is behind all this. It’s really irrelevant what they call themselves - Socialists, Communists or what-not, they are all materialists, they are all against God.

The faithful Catholics of Ukraine have, once again by the atheistic regime, been forced out of their Churches into the fields and forests in order to practice their religion. Yesterday these same individual persecutors of the Church were known as Communists, today the same group of people have changed their name but they still persecute the Church.

       Q: What would be your definition of the Masons?

       Josyp: The Masonic Lodge. They are that formally organized organization dating back to the 17th or 18th Century — the Freemasons. When I speak about this as the bulwark of the work of satan, I want to underline all the anti-God forces, all those that we would call secular humanism. They are trying to build humankind, or a human society — life on earth without God. That’s how I would define it.

       Communism is passé. The Apocalypse speaks of the Red Dragon and the Black Beast. The Red Dragon is gasping its last breath, but the Black Beast now co-ordinates these same forces. I had conversations with high-ranking Masons. They accused me of being very radical. But the Masons claim they have changed, that they are not the same as they were before. But I retorted that "you haven’t changed one bit because you continue to do the same thing — destroying the Church".

       Take for example, what is happening here in the Province of Ontario. They've forbidden prayers, the celebration of Christmas publicly in the public schools. Even though we have another political party, it is still the work of the Masons seeking to exclude Christ and God from human life and the work in America. The facts are that the crosses and the Lord’s Prayer are being removed from the public schools. Let us remember that America was established as a Christian nation. The Christians in America should be incensed that the Our Father, the Lord’s Prayer and the Cross are removed. They must be restored in the schools. This is all work of the Masons.

       Q: You predicted that the Soviet Union would collapse. What’s next? The media is trying to push that Communism is dead, but is it really?

       Josyp: No! There will still be four more years of bloody struggle before the final gasp of communism. In December 1991 that struggle began. Eleven months ago I said that Georgia would be affected. There were many who doubted, but we see it has happened. It was the Masons and Communists that raised this action against the legitimate president of Georgia and the Masons were publicly supported by the Soviet Zionists. They have forces now collected in the mountains. They are not finished. They have an army of 210,000. The American government, the intelligence community knows about this and secret bulletins are circulating in the high ranking government offices and there they are writing the truth about the events.

       This coup was an anti-Masonic coup. The coup d'etat in August was an anti-Masonic coup, but the media did not write about this officially, they cast another light upon it for themselves. If you have any high ranking senators or congressmen, try to get hold of that bulletin ... if they'll release it. There will be a struggle for four years yet!

       Q: Is the food famine, being reported in the press today, authentic or is it fabricated as so many other things we've heard about, only to discover they weren’t true?

       Josyp: The famine is real, but the food is being exported to Poland, to Bulgaria, to Western Europe, leaving nothing for the locals. There is nothing in Russia, the Ukraine, and the other countries of the Soviet Union. They are deliberately creating the circumstances of another famine. This is not just Yeltsin. It is also the Communist leaders in each republic doing their own thing, in the Ukraine, and so forth. The people are reporting this. They are stressing that everything is being exported and leaving nothing for the people there. Of course the leaders that are in authority in Europe are the Masons and the media is the Masons, so you have the Masons covering the Masons. That’s why you don’t see anything in the press!

       Q: In Chapter 12, "Russia in Flames" you talk about war with China before the year 2000. Can you elaborate more on this?

       Josyp: Yes, there will be that war before 2000. There is so much I can see but I cannot talk about it. I can tell you the Masons are also in power in China and setting up their bases here in Canada and the United States. So it’s not just Moscow and Peking. It’s Washington also. They are all what you call "in cahoots".

       The Masons know this incident: remember the Korean plane that was downed in 1982? The CIA and the American Government know what happened then. Why aren’t they informing the American people of this? Because all the people that were on the plane did not die in the crash.

       They are alive! They are in secret places in the Soviet Union. They have been divided into five groups. We have information where the people, where the children are, where the Congressman that was on that plane is. They are not dead. That plane was not destroyed, it was simply downed and all these passengers and crew were sequestered and distributed into five camps. They are still alive. It was the Masons in Washington and the Masons in Moscow who planned this thing. It’s hard to know whom they wanted to neutralize here, but they were involved in this.

       Q: On page 283 you write that the Conversion of Russia will save Christian culture in the West. You also talk about the white horseman of the Apocalypse who shall come from the West. Can you explain?

       Josyp: The white horse from the West is America. The Americans are not aware of this really, but also the Americans are not as stupid and naive as the Masons and the Zionists thought. The spiritual strength of Christian America is rising, this is also due to the Mother of God. America shall be purified and through it the Christianity of the West shall be purified. The Church in America is responsible for the whole continent. We can see now how this purification is taking place from the bottom up — from the people. The Marian movement is a strong part of this.

       We have to focus on the apparitions of Fatima. The secrets of Fatima about Moslems and Jews and Communists indicate these three will be converted through Mary. Through the Mother of God the Church shall be united throughout the whole world, and if we observe closely we see that people are coming together through the Mother of God.

       More and more Moslems are becoming involved or interested in this whole phenomena. In this business about the conversion of Russia, Russia shall be converted, but it’s through a renewed Ukraine and through a new social order that shall be established there, that Europe and the world’s Christian culture will be saved.

       Q: You link the Chernobyl disaster to the Apocalypse and indicate that there will be more Chernobyls around the world. Are you talking about meltdowns or nuclear war?

       Josyp: Yes. There will be more Chernobyls in the world and we have to be ready for that. But through prayer we can obtain the destruction of atomic power. It’s not necessarily a question of war. Man is irresponsible in how he is governing the earth. The governments know about leaks, etc. but there is big money involved in all of these plans. They are not interested in what happens to these people, only the almighty buck, and this is our disaster! It’s all in Scripture.

       It depends on how we become involved as Christians. The Masons are playing games with the Christians, calling us to prayer, but not to action, so that we don’t oppose ourselves to evil in the world. But this is against what the Church teaches and what Jesus taught and demands of us. Christ called us to become active against the powers of darkness. Christ has separated the goats a the sheep, the children of God and the children of satan, and we cannot compromise with satan.

       Q: In Chapter 8, "Wolves of the World", you state your convictions on the fact, "we are the Church built on the foundation instituted by Jesus, and that the Protestant faith wasn’t initiated until 1517 in a tumultuous time which shattered Christianity". Also on the Bible you say "I have the greatest respect for the Bible and know it was the work of the Holy Spirit. But it is a book nonetheless, and any book has its limitations. It does not contain all of God’s workings. No book could. The Holy Spirit did not stop working wonders or giving us messages once the last Gospel was written". Yet Catholics seem to be compromising. Do you see this movement toward "ecumenism" as a weakening which will ultimately lead to another schism?

       Josyp: Yes, I feel the ecumenical movement is tending to weaken the Church. Each Catholic should become actively involved as a member of the Catholic Church through the ideas of Jesus, not through the ideas of humanism. The Catholic Church is not a political party organization, it is not a glove that you can take off and castaway at will. This is the apostolic Church of Christ that has its dogmas and its doctrine, and we have to promulgate and proclaim the dogmas through the teaching and doctrine of the Church.

       There can be no compromise of the dogmas. It’s true that as we live we learn more, but that’s another perspective. But I feel that this so-called ecumenism or ecumenical dialogue, or really praying with those people who are opposed to Christianity is absurd. The same with the Jews, the Orthodox and the Moslems. We should go to proclaim the Gospel of Christ among them and to bring them to Jesus. This is what Catholic ecumenism is all about.

       (See Josyp’s article "One More Secret About Fatima" in this issue.)

       Q: Concerning the Fatima promises, where does the world stand in their fulfillment? Has the Pope publicly announced the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary as Our Lady specifically requested at Fatima, and if so, when?

       Josyp: The Pope has not consecrated Russia. He has been neutralized by those around him so that has not been fulfilled. The Catholics are very inert in this regard. We should become very active in this. All of these places ... Lourdes, Fatima, Hrushiw ... these are individual events, episodes if you will, that these apparitions are a part of, but Fatima is the key to the answer to all of these apparitions and the response to communism, atheism and satanism. We have to understand the Message of Fatima. That’s the key thing. The Message of Fatima is much wider than just Russia. And this is what the Holy Father underlines and he also ties Lourdes into this.

Josyp Terelya with Father Gruner and Bishop Paul Vasylyk. The bishop spent many years in the Ukrainian Catholic underground and was also a prisoner of conscience for years in the Soviet Gulag. He came to visit us, especially to offer the Fatima Crusader moral support for our efforts, despite heavy opposition, to get the consecration of Russia done as Our Lady of Fatima requested. For a video tape of the bishop's remarks on the consecration of Russia, call 1-800-263-8160.

       Q: What can we as loyal Catholics help do to effect the Consecration of Russia?

       Josyp: Through prayer we can publicly involve raising this issue always in respect and obedience to the Church. Remember, the reason why the Holy Father hasn’t done this is that his hands are tied. We have to untie his hands. Consecrating Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary is really touching upon the reality of the Orthodox Church as well as the understanding of ecumenism, the response of Alexei the Moscow patriarch, and the ecumenists in Rome. All of this has to be resolved before the Pope is free to consecrate. It’s not just individuals; it’s that whole milieu. But we can give the Pope the strength that he needs in raising that, but we have to raise our own consciences to a higher level first.

       Q: On page 312 you wrote "Political events depend upon spiritual ones." We understand you were with Mother Angelica, Christine Gallagher, Conchita Gonzalez, Father John McFadden, Vassula Ryden and a few others in New York City this past October 2nd and received a message from Our Lady that "if mankind does not convert its heart, the chastisement could begin as early as December". Can you add to this? Has there been any follow-up meetings?

       Josyp: Yes, we first met in New York on October 2 and continued with Christine and Conchita at Mother Angelica’s in Alabama on October 6th and 7th. We were there to help Mother. There were different purposes, different goals for these meetings. We were there to share and help Mother Angelica because she is having problems with her own programming.

       Already in the month of December those events began that would lead to civil war pertaining to the events in Georgia. But with the month of January we see that throughout the whole world the black beast has publicly expressed its attack on Christianity. This was said last summer and we see in Canada for example the government forbidding the Christmas crib scenes in the schools and the struggle to topple the crosses in the states such as in San Diego where they have two similar crosses in public places. Again, we must speak out publicly and be active.

       Q: How do we counteract the Western press with such blasphemous articles as the recent Time Magazine feature?

       Josyp: We should have our own press and not buy Time or publications that are manipulated by the Masons, the anti-God forces.

       Q. You state that our apostolate is to defend the Mother of God against attacks, certain misguided denominations and non-believers, Masons, etc. "The belittling of Christ’s Mother is the work of demonic forces as well as the divisions that have occurred since the 11th Century when the Greek Orthodox tragically separated from the Vatican in the "Great Schism". (page 101). How close are we to this schism in the Roman Church?

       Josyp: We will be witnesses shortly of great division in the Roman Church. Some of those bishops and clergy now that still belong to the Catholic Church, even in America, will leave the Church and create their own catholic church. The fragmentation of the Church is ready to destroy the unity of the Church. And we have to be ready for that because the enemies of the Church have been preparing for this specific act. Everyone must now become aware of this evil at hand and this is why the Christian world is becoming consolidated through the Mother of God.

       Q: On page 102 and again on page 159 you say "A man who remains quiet is a greater sinner than the one actually sinning." What do you mean and what is the role of Catholics in witnessing to the world?

       Josyp: Let’s take America as an example. American Catholics remain silent and there are 50 million Catholics in the states, fifty million should publicly stand up against this proliferation of sex and pornography, stand up against prostitution and drug addiction, against the bordellos and the gambling houses. This is again from satan. The stores should not be selling this stuff. We should compel these people who are printing, publishing and manufacturing this to desist — to stop this kind of work. People think that they won’t even take that into consideration. Yes they will! But we think that because we have remained silent. Stand up and watch how God works.

       Q: On page 261 you write "Prepare for great persecutions and new sacrifices." There is the constant warning to be loyal to the Pope and to the Church and not to follow modernist priests. Also Our Lady laments that Church liturgy has practically discarded the prayer to St. Michael. What can we as Catholics do to preserve our Faith?

       Josyp: We Catholics should consolidate around the Holy Father as a visible sign of unity of the Church. There will be an attempt in 1995 to get the Pope to step down. We Catholics shouldn’t allow that. The Masons are consolidating their own plot to get the Pope to step down. This attempt to get the Pope out will contribute to civil war in all of Europe. The laborers, peasants and others will take up arms and gather strength with the opposition on behalf of the Pope. The Pope is not just another man in the Twentieth Century. He is our spiritual reunification. He is the hope of all our Catholic aspirations and I will be the first one who will stand proudly with the Holy Father.

       Q: On page 218 you state that "anytime there is an event that appears supernatural, you must always be on guard against demons." How does one discern this?

       Josyp: We have to discern what is truly from God, for at the same time we have also those people who are speaking out in the name of the anti-Christ, camouflaging as though they were speaking for Jesus. So we always have to discern. I am called a visionary, a mystic and all of this, but I am just a Christian as you all are, a sinner. There is a place for private revelation. All too often when we feverishly search for all of these visions and visionaries we find the negative forces, we find visionaries claiming to be members of the Church and speaking in the name of the Church but constantly caught up in the anti-Christ. That shouldn’t be our focus. Our focus should be seeking Christ. Look for Christ and you will attain Him. Look for the anti-Christ and that’s what you will get.

       Q: We know you are convinced that Our Lady is truly appearing in Hrushiw but how do you know the apparitions at Mother Cabrini Shrine in Golden, Colorado are authentic?

       Josyp: On the apparitions at Mother Cabrini, I am convinced they are authentic. I am getting calls that I should intervene with the bishop to confirm its authenticity. But that is totally wrong. The faith of the people, the impact of what Mary is saying, and through the people on their lives ... the fruits are the greatest proclamation as to its authenticity. But what I have to say, because what I say has to be discerned, too. I would act the same way the bishop is acting. He is doing the right thing. But the people don’t understand me. How can he discern this as authentic? It took 13 years at Fatima. The people have to pray and ask for signs of confirmation. The Mother of God appeared there so the people would come and pray.

       Q: Did Our Lady appear or speak to you or Mother Cabrini, and if so what did she say?

       Josyp: I heard the Blessed Mother at Cabrini. I did see Her. Father Danylak was with me when She told me that it was here that great things would happen. More and more people will be going to the Cabrini Shrine. The bishop has to give his own official discernment and the people have to listen. I believe the apparitions are authentic, but I am not the Catholic Church. I am not the Pope and all our judgment must always be submitted to the judgment of the Church. Our Lady says to be obedient.

       I heard Our Blessed Mother say that the renewal of Christian America would come through the renewal of Christian motherhood. I am a layman. I can speak from my convictions in the press and on television. But the bishop cannot come out and make these statements. Each has his own charisms and the charisms of the bishop is to discern the authenticity of how it squares with the gospel and the teaching of the Church.

       There are many, many visionaries, people receiving locutions, devout people, and because they are not known, people tend to look down upon them. I have met many of them myself. These are not charlatans, they are devoted people. Many, many are authentic and God is truly speaking. And we should listen, but again we have to discern.

       Q: How would you compare Her apparitions in Colorado to those at Hrushiw?

       Josyp: We must await the future apparitions to learn from the Mother of God as to Her intents for Colorado. Hrushiw already has a history. The fundamental message remains the same. But it is Mary that reveals Herself to whom She wills, and we see the differences between the number of visionaries in Fatima and Hrushiw, and the length of the apparitions also vary.

       Q: You state that Our Lady appears where there are devout people and where She is needed most. Do you feel that with the increased reported apparitions in the United States we are in more need than ever? What will it take to wake up the West to avert a total moral decay?

       Josyp: There is great need for the Mother of God to talk to America because America is threatened by materialism. Our Lady is trying to wake up the West now through the Marian movement which has really caught on. We see that through the Marian movement prayer centers which are developing everywhere. There are mass pilgrimages and we see that Our Lady is appearing not only in Denver but elsewhere ... Heaven is doing its part but the Christians have to respond. How? Intense prayer, sacrifice, becoming actively involved in the work of the Church.

       Q: You mention often the Masons instigating satanic activity against the Catholic Church as Father Gobbi warns about. Will the Masons eventually unveil themselves and what must we be on guard against?

       Josyp: In the Soviet Union and in eastern Europe the Masons are publicly advertising themselves. In the West the Masons are still afraid to do this. We know now who the powers are in Europe. They are identifying themselves. The Masons can’t understand that they are responsible for the one hundred million victims and nobody will forgive them for that. Now, these Masons have come out now and now the people know whom they have to struggle against. Before they were fighting "Don Quixote windmills" - Communism - and they knew what Communism was all about. Communism is Zionism and Freemasonry.

Catholic people and priest of Ukraine are having Mass and the Sacraments in the forest even now because the Catholic Church in 1992 is still not free in "sovereign" Ukraine as this interview with Josyp Terelya demonstrates. Obviously the conversion of Russia and world peace have not taken place.

       Q: You had a vision of the Pope and Cardinal Ratzinger recently and that the Cardinal could be poisoned. In your book on page 272 you state that you've not only seen a specific Cardinal but met him when you were at the Vatican. Besides prayer can anything be done to avert this Cardinal from carrying out this nefarious deed against Ratzinger and possibly the Holy Father?

       Josyp: Become active in the Christian life and speak out publicly about these events. Pray publicly and openly in their defense and to know what it is we're praying for. This will neutralize the power of the Masons because they'll have to look for some other way, because this is exposing their identity. Openly profess our Faith so that the people will be able to define who their enemy is. I am convinced that a lot of Masons will leave Freemasonry and a lot of Zionists will also make their peace and be brought into the Church. Those who remain will be punished.

       Q: We understand you are in constant contact with the Pope. Have you relayed your recent vision of Cardinal Ratzinger’s fate to His Holiness? Father Gobbi has said that the Pope receives daily locutions. Can you confirm this? Is the Pope personally favorable to Hrushiw? Has he said anything about any other apparition sites?

       Josyp: The Holy Father has his own personal and individual relationship. He ties in Fatima and Russia with the events that are to take place in central and eastern Europe. When I spoke to the Holy Father I was convinced that the Holy Father has a mystical involvement in this — his own personal experience about Russia. But he doesn’t like to talk about it. Not everything can be said. I have informed the Vatican about the danger to Ratzinger. The Holy Father believes the world will be saved through the Mother of God.

       Q: Are you at liberty to tell any more of what you foresaw as it becomes reality, and if so, is there anything new you can reveal to our readers?

       Josyp: I have said everything that I can. There is nothing held back.

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